Fan favourite is a bit of a stretch..quite possibly the most irritating character in Trek history Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! I personally have battled weight issues all my life since high school and when I am eating healthy and trainng hard, I feel great and can do almost anything (power skating, fast hockey, tons of physical activity) meanwhile the opposite is true when I let myself go (and that does happen). First of all, because theres more options for cosplay now, because she changed her hair. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. For your own good, please seek help. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. It just happened. But my initial annoyed response to DISCO in particular, well, Ive let go of that in the past two years, as life is too short to get all worked-up angry over personal quibbles with a tv show. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. Ok, SH didnt invent this. During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . Correct me if I am wrong, but did she not have to take a command course at some point? To be clear, my opinion on a show has no bearing on how it helped you at a terrible time in your life. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. Book is Han Solo. This post (handouts bad habits yada yada yada) is your latest misogny, homophobia and white supremacy , and I am sick and tired of it. Have you ever read those? Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. David Ajala: I think its made Cleveland Booker even more attracted to Michael Burnham because I think he looks and goes Oh, scrumptious. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. Ichebs torture on Picard was horrible and the eating ganglia in S1, yikes! I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. Im sorry if the idea of someone not like Discovery upsets you, but its unreasonable to expect people to change their minds for that reason. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. The future doesnt have a preferred accent. Along with this, the biggest thing that Michael aided Tilly with was her confidence. I have to agree. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. She hasnt mentored anyone except in one episode. Body shaming is just another category of bullying, with the same general goal of the shamer making him/herself feel superior by putting down others around them, rather than elevate him/herself with goodwill and compassion. But I did not watch DIS S4 either. Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. The reed-thin part sometimes involves unhealthy behaviors. I mean, there could have been but it was never seen or talked about. If we dont have tolerance and respect, how are we able to learn and improve humanity!? This was to reveal the true intents and emotions of the players in each plot, which highlights the role they play in momentous choices in high-stake situations. By: Laurie Ulster I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. lol ;). My condolences to you, for your mum. I echo your sentiments exactly, David. While Tilly had big dreams in Star Trek: Discovery season 1, she struggled with feelings of inadequacy and was hindered by a social awkwardness that often left her feeling like an outsider. Even 1,000 years into the future, Burham cannotoh well, that is a different story for a different post. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. Understanding? I mean, it was just so fun! And Im even more embarrassed by this, but Ive never watched any of the Stargate shows. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. I will have to go check it out. Up ahead, we explain what happened to Tilly in the recent episode and also discuss actor Mary Wiseman's status on the show. No one of my Trekkie friends, growing up with TNG watch this anymore. Star Trek is supposed to be socially progressive but this show went too far. Too nervous and anxious. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. Do I want to be Barclay or Harry Kim? Its so brutal. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. My preference would be to set it post TUC but quite frankly any other established era would be fine. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. The accent is too colloquial. I would imagine those who liked Barclay probably include a large portion of those who like Tilly. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. Make better choices. If that scene reflects something she regularly incorporates into her real-life, then I think she will be just fine and she can tell the haters to go pound salt. There have been moments where they tried to do that, but like everything else on Discovery where self-doubt and emotional scenes of worry in darkly-lit rooms need to be front and center, they always seemed to bring Tilly back to spazzing out because she was nervous about whether she can do it before being put on a mission. Fitness may be in the eye of the beholder, as hes commented himself that contempories his age have to hit the head just a bit more often. Those b@stards, however, totally killed Landry )Cuddles with @actordougjones and @davbentom These men are nothing short of hereoic in prosthetics all day e'reday. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. I have nothing against Mary Wiseman. But to play the Devils Advocate here for a moment Tilly as she was originally presented and continued to be for quite some time is not something most women would aspire to be I should think. My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? Jury still out on Books character.definitely ahead of the 2 dimensional bridge crew though. Agree. But its at least nice they came to their senses with that ridiculous story turn (unlike Kirk). SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. I would encourage her to do the same. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Im glad we are finally seeing it. Ive finally had the chance to reply to your comment about Lue Elizondo etc on the other thread. It means something to me. Tilly got fat, that is inexcusable. As long as Wesley Crusher exists she will always be in a race for that title. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. I agree 100%. That is why you never saw councelors on any other class ship. She is one of the best things about Discovery. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. David Ajala: Yeah. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. Being encouraged to eat only what ones body needs is another thing entirely. This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. Ridiculous or not, it has been well established in Trek canon that starships have counselors/therapists, and they are often used by the crew. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. Absolutely. While Im excited to get back to the 32nd century and see whats changed since season 3 Im still not excited for the season itself. The ships shrink should not be a Command level position and in fact would make sense to be on the CMOs staff. The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. Troi made explicit the evil intent lies we tell each other and ourselves to gain selfish material and political advantage. However, in the same interview she also talked about how some fans have not been so supportive in season three: I noticed theres definitely been an uptick in body-shaming towards me and Tilly this season, which was harrowing because Im a person, I have a history and bullying is totally a part of that. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. What is wrong, pretty bad to read, is fans mocking the actors, it is actually very sexist, not cool. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you By: TrekMovie.com Staff Oh, I think its fine they had a counselor on the SHIP; I just think its weird they had her on the BRIDGE. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Right! Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Ive re-learned through life experiences how to stop and smell the roses again you might say, among other things. You had a variety of body shapes on discovery Tilly was thick. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. And I just really love having Janeway back. The entire point of Tillys character is that shes a Starfleet officer that doesnt have to be a supermodel like so many Trek characters before: Troi, Seven, TPol, Jadzia perfect golden cut supermodels. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. It was so fun. This is not a good show and not a good Star Trek Show too. "Hope springs eternal" was the central thesis for Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale . For me, generally speaking, when Barclay or Trois mom appeared it signaled a terrible episode in advance. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Roddenberrys imprint on Next Gen made the characters not flawed enough for some tastes, granted, but Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and Enterprise have countless examples of human foibles and emotions sure, not to the degree as Discovery, with its ship full of Barclays as one commenter put it, rhetorically. I wanted to be bigger and I spent much of my childhood, adolescence and even into my young adulthood doing all kinds of things to get bigger. She laughs at the memory. How is she supposed to sound considering nobody knows what people in the 23rd century will talk like? DSC had many issues at the beginning. In CanadaDiscoveryis broadcast on CTV Sci-Fi Channel and streams on Crave. Tilly is the most human member of the crew. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Ive never liked Tilly. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . I dont love her the way I love Saru or Pike, or Janeway or Seven or Picard or Spock. You know, like a psychotic murderer? And the only family she has is on that ship. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. But admittedly, its pretty close. I see other people mentioning the books on Reddit and Youtube because of the new show obviously. The actress also discussed how Killy inspires some fans: Killy is somebody whos very important to a lot of fans, especially my curvy women out there who like to see another full-figured, fat, curvy, chunky woman get to feel powerful and use that size to command authority, said Wiseman. Good points. It just came to me and wanted your opinion. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. What tradition do you speak of? I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. In fact this is Discoverys success is showing human emotion as another frontier to cross because it is in fact the major component in value choices and decisions that are an unrecognized part of strategic and political decisions as per our many current political divides in US. GD, what shoes is David wearing in those pics? Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. Everybody does NOT love Tilly. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. Well, Renos really more engineering. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Keep up the great work ladies! Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. Learning? And how and how would your abilities be used in the Mirror Universe? The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. When a show blankets the airwaves with hugs and confessionals and cheering it tends to make any subtler moments stand out far less, but this is also not a subtle show to begin with. Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. In fact, thats all the Discovery crew is qualified as in the 32nd century. Any accent would be acceptable for a time that hasnt happened yet. The only writers they need are people who can polish it up enough so that you cant tell its machine-written. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. One reason why I think people gravitated towards Trip the most on Enterprise was that the combination of writing and performances created one of the most believable humans in Star Trek this side of Dr. McCoy and Chief OBrien. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. And it was mentioned in one of the episodes of the first season, I dont remember whichwould have to research, that councilors on Galaxy class ships due to the fact that families were on the ship and it was meant for longer than 5 year missions. Mary Wiseman is confirmed to return as Sylvia Tilly in Star Trek: Discovery season 5, although whether she rejoins the crew or continues at Starfleet Academy and only interjects occasionally remains unknown. When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. Body shaming is wrong and immature. Well, its certainly a good thing that Tilly is a fictional character, and neither she nor the woman who plays her (Wiseman) is in todays real-world Navy.. Sick and tired of T and A being the main focus. Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Barclays ticks do get really annoying. I wonder if there is any news that she might be pregnant. Contents 1 Early life 2 Starfleet career 2.1 USS Discovery 2.1.1 The war 2.1.2 Post-war 2.1.3 32nd century 3 Personal relationships 3.1 Friendships Agreed. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. Maybe sociological issues? I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. 42 comments so far. The journey to discovering Tilly, the rescue puppy that would change our lives, began before she was even born. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? And others opinions dont factor in. Just like every other character in a show that generally is badly written. Sense of morals. How blandly Puritan. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Sorry TM, its MY fault! That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). All are different. (80's for ya) IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Mary Wiseman: Well what is like the same root of Book but like the polar opposite expression of it? Her message was not that its okay to be overweight (and shes really not that overweight, nor should it really matter), but simply thats it okay to be her flaws and all. And more importantly, were back to exploring both the prime universe and 24th century again we havent done since Voyagers final season, which was 20 years ago this year! Nah Book is Boba Fett and I want to see the spin-off series THE BOOK OF BOOK :-). Right? And yeah, some of us are coach potatoes, most of us certainly not gold cut supermodels. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? Tilly is not a perfect officer. Mary shouldnt listen to the haters and Sonequa, I never noticed she looked any different than she did before, body wise. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Sharing? That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. You made very good points and I do agree. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. But respect is always earned and never enforceable. That way she wont get the appearance she does now of jumping over more experienced officers and seeming to just get ahead because shes Sarus favorite. Its all pretty subjective. But the nu left that this show panders to cant accept any opinion that isnt in agreement with it so they try to immediately invalidate it. For now, Wiseman is busy starring in the new comedy play At the Wedding at the Lincoln Center Theater in New York. This sounds kind of racist. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? As I said Tilly has the same issues. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. Its very possible Mary Wiseman wanted off the show, or needed a bit of a break. Since this is a show for kids and its not directly focused on the Voyager characters (at least not yet ;)), obviously I dont really expect any of the bigger plot lines from those books to happen; but it would be cool if the basic idea stuck around and that the Protostar was part of a long term mission of advance starfleet ships heading back to the DQ for study. Harry wasnt annoying. I gave this dumpster fire of far left propaganda 4 seasons. Thanks for the correction and yes that is correct. Key difference in thinking, and it makes all the difference in the big picture! By the way, could of isnt English. It is also available on Netflix in 190 countries around the world. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Mary Wiseman. The following contains spoilers from Star Trek: Discovery's Season 4 finale. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. Has Tilly body-shaming outside of the Twitter imbeciles been a thing? I do find their quirks annoying at times, but the most important reason I like them is because theyre honest, kind people with a good heart. Shes loved. Good for her, and I love the character! The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. No probably not. Tons do, yes. I did, though. So her appearances ended up not being 100% awful. But the show almost seems to go out of its way every season for some of the dumbest story points you can think of. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. Ive seen fan-fics with better characters than this. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. She isnt back on Discovery. Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. Although criticism of a performance is valid (Burnhams whispering, over emoting etc.) So, although he does the occasional guest star role in other shows produced in Canada, he could take on a larger role on Discovery. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Just underused. Its could have (or couldve). I keep saying this but its a great time to be a Star Trek fan again! I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. That could be it. Yet, she is. The Berman era had specific ideas about things like accents and music that kind of locked it into something fairly homogeneous. I have only heard of the details a few months ago thanks to a video that TrekCentral (amazing YouTube channel) made about it for Prodigy theorizing a connection. should take a pear of pruning shears and cut off that little pecker of yours (its what Killy would do). But Barclay is just irritating as hell. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. It doesnt matter either way but with so much Voyager mythology created in those novels, it would be cool to see some of it translated on this show! Respectfully, to anyone somehow offended by that. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Star Trek: Discovery threw a shocker into its latest episode as Lieutenant Sylvia Tilly decided to leave the Discovery crew. Its intolerance in its most basic form, and anyone who engages in, advocates for, or turns a blind eye and deaf ear to it are examples of the worst humanity has to offer, and most certainly have no business calling themselves a Star Trek fan. . After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. They told us and a handful of other outlets what to expect for their characters and more. That promise was. . Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me.
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